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"oneavejoe" (oneavgjoe)
06/30/2020 at 17:56 • Filed to: None

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DISCUSSION (36)

WilliamsSW > oneavejoe
06/30/2020 at 18:07

Nice! Wish we could get there in Illinois.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > oneavejoe
06/30/2020 at 18:09

Hella jelly.

I just stopped running one on the ST.

Future next gen S2000 owner > oneavejoe
06/30/2020 at 18:14

Front plates legitimately serve no purpose.

facw > Future next gen S2000 owner
06/30/2020 at 18:20

Except for making it easier to identify vehicles?

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > facw
06/30/2020 at 18:26

Usually when a vehicle drives towards you, it also drives away from you

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > oneavejoe
06/30/2020 at 18:28

It'll never happen here in a land of fixed and mobile speed cameras...

E90M3 > oneavejoe
06/30/2020 at 18:31

I neglected to run one when I lived in Texas, I never had a problem.

Spasoje > oneavejoe
06/30/2020 at 18:44

Nice! Hell, I’d even be down for an extra-cost front license plate substitute, where you put a sticker version of your front plate in the lower RH corner of the windshield or something (similar to what Mexico has).

Kinja'd!!!

Kiltedpadre > oneavejoe
06/30/2020 at 18:44

We got lucky and the vehicle we recently bought my wife had been traded in by an Air Force family. They had come from a state that didn’t require a front plate, and the dealer hadn’t had it long enough to mount the plate mount.

I’m debating taking the mount off of my Volt to see how difficult the holes would be to patch.

Maxima Speed > oneavejoe
06/30/2020 at 18:56

Bought the current solara in october and unfortunately it already had holes drilled, i never bothered mounting my front plates and got away with it thankfully.

Tekamul > Future next gen S2000 owner
06/30/2020 at 19:01

They are reliable targets for speed guns.

Tekamul > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker
06/30/2020 at 19:01

Right up until they invented "the turn"

ranwhenparked > facw
06/30/2020 at 19:02

I’ve had several cops tell me over the years that it really isn’t that big of a help for them. If they’re interested in a particular car, they can get a view of the back of it easily enough.

facw > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker
06/30/2020 at 19:06

Doesn’t help much if it’s a fixed position camera or something.

Regardless it’s clear that it increases the chance of getting the plate. I’m sure it doesn’t double it, but there is obviously some benefit.

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > Tekamul
06/30/2020 at 19:08

What sort of turn would a car be going around that an observer could only see front plate but not rear? I can’t think of any geometry.

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > facw
06/30/2020 at 19:09

Every time I’ve been served a ticket from a camera, it’s had an image of my rear plate only on it. Most people in Ohio don’t use front plates anyway.

CB > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker
06/30/2020 at 19:18

Depending on how cameras are at a gas station, it might only get footage of the front of a vehicle.

Speaking as a guy who lives in a no-front plate province, it’s nice not to have them, but I wouldn’t exactly be upset if we did.

Tekamul > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker
06/30/2020 at 19:19

Huh? Car coming at you, car turns left or right without passing you.

PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120 > Tekamul
06/30/2020 at 19:22

I can't remember, who invented the turn?

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > Tekamul
06/30/2020 at 19:26

I guess, but in that scenario why would you need the plate? Even police say they serve marginal use in identifying a plate.

My bird IS the word > oneavejoe
06/30/2020 at 19:30

Was it only due to the traffic stop mentioned in the article? Very happy, but seems like an odd choice to me.

TheJWT > oneavejoe
06/30/2020 at 19:31

Kinja'd!!!

I’ve had this on my calendar since the day the bill passed like a year and a half ago

facw > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker
06/30/2020 at 19:32

I’m not talking about ticketing cameras, just in general.

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > facw
06/30/2020 at 19:34

What other type of camera is identifying vehicles? That’s a lot of what-about-ing.

facw > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker
06/30/2020 at 19:49

Surveillance cameras? Traffic cams? Dash cams?

Really there are a shit ton!

Look, it’s fundamentally obvious that having a second plate makes it more likely for a vehicle to be identified! Now that does not mean we need them (after all, it’s also true that adding more plates would make this still easier, but clearly there are diminishing returns). So if you want to argue that making cars more attractive outweighs the benefit, then go ahead, but arguing that there is no benefit is asinine.

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > facw
06/30/2020 at 19:51

I’m arguing that the benefit of having them is marginal. If they were substantially helpful, do you think Ohio would have stopped mandating them?

facw > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker
06/30/2020 at 20:02

1. You are arguing against me arguing that they have some benefit.

2. Yes. I think Ohio would do away with them even if they had some benefit. After all, many people (including you!) don’t like them. Governments do sometimes do what is popular rather than what is best. And of course we can turn your argument on its head and say “Would the vast majority of the world, and most of the states require them if there was no benefit?”

In any event, since we have some states that don’t require them and some that do, it seems like it should be possible to get actual numbers to determine their value rather than relying on anecdotal evidence, but unfortunately, I’ve never seen such a study either way.

fintail > oneavejoe
06/30/2020 at 20:13

Seems to be an unenforced law in WA (at least in my area, I am certain less than half of the Teslarati wear one), might as well ditch it, although it might remove a pretext for stopping those of lower socio-economic status who lack a plate, so unlikely.

SiennaMan > My bird IS the word
06/30/2020 at 22:01

I think there'd been people pushing for years to drop the requirement (I know neighboring KY and IN don't require them), and the the petitions around the shooting might have been the tipping point..

Dead_Elvis, Inc. > fintail
07/01/2020 at 00:00

I got a ticket in Kenmore about 20 years ago for not having my front plate on the *exterior* of the vehicle. The plate was propped up on the dash, damn near vertical & clearly visible (‘71 VW bus, completely free of Dead stickers or any other stereotypical hippie bus garbage).

I don’t remember what the fine was, but it was cheap enough that it didn’t feel like the hassle of contesting was worth it, even though the King Co. deputy was a complete prick about it - I offered to wire it into place on the bumper right then, but nooooope.

fintail > Dead_Elvis, Inc.
07/01/2020 at 00:39

Had you been in a Lexus, you might have avoided the ticket. The amount of higher end material I see in Bellevue lacking plates is stunning. Enforcement must be inconsistent at the very least.

Maybe it was quota time - what I mean by that, is that the roads were much safer after he apprehended such a callous scofflaw.

Dead_Elvis, Inc. > fintail
07/01/2020 at 00:54

Yes, making me late for work definitely made his little fiefdom safer. Who knows what kind of nefarious dirtbaggery I could have been up to at 5:30 am!

He did seem annoyed that not only were my license, registration, and insurance all in order, but that all my lights & horn worked. ( I’d never had an impromptu roadside safety inspection before , even when driving complete shitboxe s. )

fintail > Dead_Elvis, Inc.
07/01/2020 at 01:09

Especially in an old VW bus, so many of those out there, you can commit a crime and just blend into traffic, not to mention getting away very fast!

He must have been having a bad day, sounds jerky even for the image of that employer.

Future next gen S2000 owner > facw
07/01/2020 at 10:01

I’m not sure they do. When a car is coming at you, even at low speed, it is exceptionally hard to accurately record the plate. If the car is not moving, you can drive up behind it.

Even if a car is harder to identify, that would seemingly put states without plates at a policing disadvantage. I’m not sure there is enough data to verify either way on that.

facw > Future next gen S2000 owner
07/01/2020 at 10:13

It would certainly make it easier to catch on camera. In the most trivial case, a cop driving through a parking lot with license plate readers on their car will not be able to flag any cars that backed into their spaces if there’s no front plate. And obviously other cameras may also only be able to catch plates from one direction.

As I noted in this thread, that doesn’t mean that front plates are necessarily high-value, just that there is indeed some purpose.

It does feel like some researcher should be able to quantify the value by comparing similar states with and without front plates, but there would be a lot of noise to sift through. I haven’t seen anyone do so though.

Future next gen S2000 owner > facw
07/01/2020 at 10:29

Maybe some very specific circumstances, you are probably right. But I hate them so much. Ruin the front end.